Ed Dolan's 13th Final Farewell

[Edward Dolan]

There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.

These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.

Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.

My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.

And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.

Fuck'em all I say.

[Harry Brogan]

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed? Just as bad as I am. I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups. Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing. Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.

The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.

I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.

To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.

So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

[Duane Hebert]

Post by Harry Brogan

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed? Just as bad as I am. I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups. Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing. Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.
The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

Gimme a break. My first computer programming was with a PDP8.
Moving to a PDP10 that could do modem data at 110 baud was amazing.

Post by Harry Brogan
I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

So what about those that have CF bikes and ride in the rain anyway? I
haven't
noticed anyone hear give you grief about your ride. Maybe I missed
something.
But it seems like you're the one with issues.

To me, what's important is to ride my bike. I commute until the snow
falls. Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

[Lou Holtman]

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed? Just as bad as I am. I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups. Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing. Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.
The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

Gimme a break. My first computer programming was with a PDP8.
Moving to a PDP10 that could do modem data at 110 baud was amazing.

I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

So what about those that have CF bikes and ride in the rain anyway?

I was wondering about that too.

I
haven't
noticed anyone hear give you grief about your ride. Maybe I missed
something.

Right. I have a CF bike ride in all kinds of weather all year round and
don't look down on any bike as long as it is ridden.

But it seems like you're the one with issues.
To me, what's important is to ride my bike. I commute until the snow
falls. Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

Harry can't be talking about us although I ride in lycra most of the
times. Fortunately I can afford and store more than one bike. I am blessed.

Lou

[Edward Dolan]

"Lou Holtman" <***@usenet.nl> wrote in message news:8d700$4ead7bfd$541d34fb$***@cache5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
[...]

Post by Lou Holtman
Harry can't be talking about us although I ride in lycra most of the
times. Fortunately I can afford and store more than one bike. I am blessed.

How about 11 uprights and 15 recumbents, 3 of them recumbent trikes? They
litter the entire house so that you can barely navigate from room to room.
No one needs this many bicycles, but I do think everyone should have at
least three ... one for performance, one for utility (chores) and one for
pure fun. Frankly, I do not understand folks who have only one bicycle.

[Edward Dolan]

"Duane Hebert" <***@flarn2.com> wrote in message news:j8jl4i$11f$***@dont-email.me...
[...]

Post by Duane Hebert
To me, what's important is to ride my bike. I commute until the snow
falls. Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

What stops me is not the ice and snow, but the cold. In the winter months I
ride my recumbent trikes. Falling is impossible, but you do have to worry
about cars sliding into you. Best to stay far to the right and forget that
nonsense about taking the lane.

January is the pits here in Minnesota. Even though I dress like an Eskimo,
it is just too damn cold. That is the month for hibernating and listening to
all my recordings of Beethoven.

[Harry Brogan]

Post by Duane Hebert

Post by Harry Brogan

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed? Just as bad as I am. I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups. Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing. Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.
The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

Gimme a break. My first computer programming was with a PDP8.
Moving to a PDP10 that could do modem data at 110 baud was amazing.

Post by Harry Brogan
I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

So what about those that have CF bikes and ride in the rain anyway? I
haven't
noticed anyone hear give you grief about your ride. Maybe I missed
something.
But it seems like you're the one with issues.
To me, what's important is to ride my bike. I commute until the snow
falls. Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

You are correct. No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips. I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.

I don't really care WHAT you ride. ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.

I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather. You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

[Edward Dolan]

"Harry Brogan" <***@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
[...]

Post by Harry Brogan
You are correct. No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips. I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride. ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather. You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

Harry, there is a certain element in the cycling community who love to hang
out in bike shops. Some bike shops even serve coffee to them. Such shops can
be the locus for organizing group rides which usually turns out to be a
race.

I can spot a bicycle snob from a mile off. I leave them to others of their
ilk. The finest folks to converse with are ordinary guys who use their bikes
for just about everything under the sun. You can tell them by their
attitudes. Some really nice guys wear spandex and ride carbon fiber bikes.
Their willingness to converse is what separates them from the rest, not the
cost of their equipment.

[kolldata]

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

You are correct.  No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips.  I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride.  ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather.  You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

Harry, there is a certain element in the cycling community who love to hang
out in bike shops. Some bike shops even serve coffee to them. Such shops can
be the locus for organizing group rides which usually turns out to be a
race.
I can spot a bicycle snob from a mile off. I leave them to others of their
ilk. The finest folks to converse with are ordinary guys who use their bikes
for just about everything under the sun. You can tell them by their
attitudes. Some really nice guys wear spandex and ride carbon fiber bikes.
Their willingness to converse is what separates them from the rest, not the
cost of their equipment.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

really Ed, get a grip on yourself

[Harry Brogan]

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by Harry Brogan
You are correct. No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips. I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride. ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather. You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

Harry, there is a certain element in the cycling community who love to hang
out in bike shops. Some bike shops even serve coffee to them. Such shops can
be the locus for organizing group rides which usually turns out to be a
race.
I can spot a bicycle snob from a mile off. I leave them to others of their
ilk. The finest folks to converse with are ordinary guys who use their bikes
for just about everything under the sun. You can tell them by their
attitudes. Some really nice guys wear spandex and ride carbon fiber bikes.
Their willingness to converse is what separates them from the rest, not the
cost of their equipment.

Remember, I am not talking about those that are outgoing and willing
to strike up a conversation. I have never had a problem with the
average joe rider.

The ones I am referencing are....

People the spend thousands of dollars trying to possibly recapture
something from their past.....

That only take their precious machines out on days that have NO
possibility of bad weather.....

Only go on those organized "group rides" that always seem to turn into
a race.

Will actually turn and almost RUN away from you if you AREN'T wearing
what THEY consider to be "proper attire for riding".

Back in my motorcycling days we called people like this "RUBS" Or
Rich Urban Bikers. I guess that the same could apply here.

There was a recent incident here that brought these group riders to
the forefront. Someone placed tacks on a route that a rather large
group of cyclists used. Definitely the wrong thing to do. But even
the videos showed these riders blowing a stop sign. And the guy that
held the rides even said that they don't have enough ride leaders to
handle smaller groups sothey HAVE to ride in very large ones. Guess
that means he's not quite as organized as he claims then....

Here's that article....

http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/tacky-prank-creates-chaos-for-bikers

I'll keep riding because I enjoy it. Personally, I learned a long
time ago that there will ALWAYS be people out there with the
holier-than-thou attitudes. Those people I simply choose to ignore.

Do I ride fast? Occasionally. But I am not in THAT big of a hurry to
get to Starbucks. I prefer to take in the scenery and actually enjoy
the ride. No matter WHERE I am heading.......

[Dan O]

Post by Harry Brogan

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by Harry Brogan
You are correct. No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips. I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride. ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather. You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

Harry, there is a certain element in the cycling community who love to hang
out in bike shops. Some bike shops even serve coffee to them. Such shops can
be the locus for organizing group rides which usually turns out to be a
race.
I can spot a bicycle snob from a mile off. I leave them to others of their
ilk. The finest folks to converse with are ordinary guys who use their bikes
for just about everything under the sun. You can tell them by their
attitudes. Some really nice guys wear spandex and ride carbon fiber bikes.
Their willingness to converse is what separates them from the rest, not the
cost of their equipment.

Remember, I am not talking about those that are outgoing and willing
to strike up a conversation. I have never had a problem with the
average joe rider.
The ones I am referencing are....
People the spend thousands of dollars trying to possibly recapture
something from their past.....

Ah... glory days.

Post by Harry Brogan
That only take their precious machines out on days that have NO
possibility of bad weather.....

Well, my most precious usually bicycle stays inside when there's any
chance of rain, but it's irreplaceable, and made of a material that's
prone to rusting.

That said, INeither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays me
from riding one of my other bikes.

Post by Harry Brogan
Only go on those organized "group rides" that always seem to turn into
a race.

"I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel."

That said, racing is in my blood, so yes - I'll race against anything
else that moves.

Post by Harry Brogan
Will actually turn and almost RUN away from you if you AREN'T wearing
what THEY consider to be "proper attire for riding".

This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts. Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

Post by Harry Brogan
Back in my motorcycling days we called people like this "RUBS" Or
Rich Urban Bikers. I guess that the same could apply here.

At least nobody could ever accuse me of the 'R'... or even the
'U' (never been a real city boy, though the idea of moving to Portland
has intrigued me).

Post by Harry Brogan
There was a recent incident here that brought these group riders to
the forefront. Someone placed tacks on a route that a rather large
group of cyclists used. Definitely the wrong thing to do. But even
the videos showed these riders blowing a stop sign. And the guy that
held the rides even said that they don't have enough ride leaders to
handle smaller groups sothey HAVE to ride in very large ones. Guess
that means he's not quite as organized as he claims then....

Bah! Ride "leader", indeed :-)

That said, I definiteley blow stops.

Post by Harry Brogan
Here's that article....
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/va_beach/tacky-prank-creates-...
I'll keep riding because I enjoy it. Personally, I learned a long
time ago that there will ALWAYS be people out there with the
holier-than-thou attitudes. Those people I simply choose to ignore.

I'm working on mine. It's tough, but as time goes by perspective
grows... Recognizing the problem in myself isn't half the battle, but
it's a start.

Post by Harry Brogan
Do I ride fast? Occasionally. But I am not in THAT big of a hurry to
get to Starbucks. I prefer to take in the scenery and actually enjoy
the ride. No matter WHERE I am heading.......

I can relate, but I have to get to work on time, and get home before
bedtime. This guy who rides an organized tour or two every year or so
once said, when told about my ~extreme commute, "I hope you're not one
of those head down riders." I sort of wanted to stand back and ask
him if he thinks I got this physique tootling along. I may not
literally "stop" and smell the roses, but I do love and appreciate
being out in and part of the world.

[Duane Hebert]

Post by Dan O

Post by Harry Brogan

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by Harry Brogan
You are correct. No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips. I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride. ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather. You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

Harry, there is a certain element in the cycling community who love to hang
out in bike shops. Some bike shops even serve coffee to them. Such shops can
be the locus for organizing group rides which usually turns out to be a
race.
I can spot a bicycle snob from a mile off. I leave them to others of their
ilk. The finest folks to converse with are ordinary guys who use their bikes
for just about everything under the sun. You can tell them by their
attitudes. Some really nice guys wear spandex and ride carbon fiber bikes.
Their willingness to converse is what separates them from the rest, not the
cost of their equipment.

Remember, I am not talking about those that are outgoing and willing
to strike up a conversation. I have never had a problem with the
average joe rider.
The ones I am referencing are....
People the spend thousands of dollars trying to possibly recapture
something from their past.....

Ah... glory days.

Post by Harry Brogan
That only take their precious machines out on days that have NO
possibility of bad weather.....

Well, my most precious usually bicycle stays inside when there's any
chance of rain, but it's irreplaceable, and made of a material that's
prone to rusting.
That said, INeither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays me
from riding one of my other bikes.

Post by Harry Brogan
Only go on those organized "group rides" that always seem to turn into
a race.

"I'm a loner, Dottie. A rebel."
That said, racing is in my blood, so yes - I'll race against anything
else that moves.

Max group is 15 here by law but club policy is 12. Yesterday we were 4
but that was mostly do to the 4C temperature and 20km\h wind from the
north. I ride alone about half the time as there are not that many club
rides per week.

Post by Dan O

Post by Harry Brogan
Will actually turn and almost RUN away from you if you AREN'T wearing
what THEY consider to be "proper attire for riding".

This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts. Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I started riding with cutoff jeans and sandals. Over time I gradually
picked up on the "bike specific" gear as it showed to be useful. First
was the bike shorts after too many rashes from the cutoffs. Then the
gloves after I fell and scraped my palms. Next was the jersey to cut the
wind, etc. etc. Not sure if I'd call it proper attire for riding.
It seems to be useful for the type of riding that I do. My son is still
with the shorts and tee shirt style and it seems to work for him.

[Edward Dolan]

"Dan O" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:b7c3d075-406e-48cf-a7e5-***@v33g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
[...]

Post by Dan O
I can relate, but I have to get to work on time, and get home before
bedtime. This guy who rides an organized tour or two every year or so
once said, when told about my ~extreme commute, "I hope you're not one
of those head down riders." I sort of wanted to stand back and ask
him if he thinks I got this physique tootling along. I may not
literally "stop" and smell the roses, but I do love and appreciate
being out in and part of the world.

I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the passing
world in dignity and comfort.

[AMuzi]

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by Dan O
I can relate, but I have to get to work on time, and get home before
bedtime. This guy who rides an organized tour or two every year or so
once said, when told about my ~extreme commute, "I hope you're not one
of those head down riders." I sort of wanted to stand back and ask
him if he thinks I got this physique tootling along. I may not
literally "stop" and smell the roses, but I do love and appreciate
being out in and part of the world.

I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the passing
world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?

Loading Image...

No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!

[thirty-six]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by Dan O
I can relate, but I have to get to work on time, and get home before
bedtime.  This guy who rides an organized tour or two every year or so
once said, when told about my ~extreme commute, "I hope you're not one
of those head down riders."  I sort of wanted to stand back and ask
him if he thinks I got this physique tootling along.  I may not
literally "stop" and smell the roses, but I do love and appreciate
being out in and part of the world.

I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the passing
world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/recumbentslideshow/images/jim.a...
No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!
--
Andrew Muzi
  <www.yellowjersey.org/>
  Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Silly little wheel at the front and a damn big one trailing long off
the back doing little for cornering. Do all recumbent racing courses
have easy bends to accomodate such poor designs?

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Edward Dolan
I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the passing
world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/recumbentslideshow/images/jim.atchison.jpg
No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!

I think this is what he probably meant by recumbent dignity and
comfort:
<http://www.bikeforest.com/?p=71>

[Edward Dolan]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Edward Dolan
I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the passing
world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/recumbentslideshow/images/jim.atchison.jpg
No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!

I think this is what he probably meant by recumbent dignity and
<http://www.bikeforest.com/?p=71>
http://youtu.be/PGHB-SEDzD0
http://youtu.be/OZX0BdZh-F0

The couchbike (4 wheels) makes no sense whatever, but the recumbent trikes
(3 wheels) do.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Edward Dolan
I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the passing
world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/recumbentslideshow/images/jim.atchison.jpg
No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!

I think this is what he probably meant by recumbent dignity and
<http://www.bikeforest.com/?p=71>
http://youtu.be/PGHB-SEDzD0
http://youtu.be/OZX0BdZh-F0

The couchbike (4 wheels) makes no sense whatever, but the recumbent trikes
(3 wheels) do.

Fear of even numbers? Well, ok. Here's a 3 wheel couch bike:
<Loading Image...>
<http://www.beezodogsplace.com/2011/06/21/its-a-bike-its-a-couch-its-a-sofa-bike/>
More like a sofa than a recumbent, but close enough if you want to be
really dignified and comfortable.

[Edward Dolan]

[...]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Edward Dolan
The couchbike (4 wheels) makes no sense whatever, but the recumbent trikes
(3 wheels) do.

<http://www.rat-patrol.org/RPOz/images/ozRats/2humps.jpg>
<http://www.beezodogsplace.com/2011/06/21/its-a-bike-its-a-couch-its-a-sofa-bike/>
More like a sofa than a recumbent, but close enough if you want to be
really dignified and comfortable.

Those 3 wheel contraptions do make more sense. I note they are designed for
two riders. But the couch is not as silly as it seems. We humans are
designed to sit in chairs, not to be split legged over a saddle. An awful
lot of difficulties can arise from pressure and injuries to the groin.

[Michael Press]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Edward Dolan
I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the passing
world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/recumbentslideshow/images/jim.atchison.jpg
No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!

I think this is what he probably meant by recumbent dignity and
<http://www.bikeforest.com/?p=71>
http://youtu.be/PGHB-SEDzD0
http://youtu.be/OZX0BdZh-F0

The couchbike (4 wheels) makes no sense whatever, but the recumbent trikes
(3 wheels) do.

<http://www.rat-patrol.org/RPOz/images/ozRats/2humps.jpg>
<http://www.beezodogsplace.com/2011/06/21/its-a-bike-its-a-couch-its-a-sofa-bike/>
More like a sofa than a recumbent, but close enough if you want to be
really dignified and comfortable.

Needs a smoking stand.

[Edward Dolan]

[...]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Edward Dolan
I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the
passing world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/recumbentslideshow/images/jim.atchison.jpg
No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!

That prone position does not look like it would be comfortable for more than
a few minutes, but more importantly it is not dignified. However, I have
never known a racing cyclist to even know what the word 'dignity' means.

The upright bicycle is designed for just one thing - efficiency. Other than
that, it is a disaster for the human anatomy. It is truly a wonder that
anyone who is not a racer rides an upright bicycle. The thinking man demands
a seat, not a saddle. But apparently some folks like to sit on fence posts.

[AMuzi]

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Edward Dolan
I have personally known two cyclists who rode "head down" and ended up in
the hospital from crashing into parked cars. This does not happen on a
recumbent where you are sitting more or less upright and viewing the
passing world in dignity and comfort.

Sure about that?
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/recumbentslideshow/images/jim.atchison.jpg
No more dignified nor comfortable than Tom Sherman himself!

That prone position does not look like it would be comfortable for more than
a few minutes, but more importantly it is not dignified. However, I have
never known a racing cyclist to even know what the word 'dignity' means.
The upright bicycle is designed for just one thing - efficiency. Other than
that, it is a disaster for the human anatomy. It is truly a wonder that
anyone who is not a racer rides an upright bicycle. The thinking man demands
a seat, not a saddle. But apparently some folks like to sit on fence posts.

Dignity incarnate:

Loading Image...

[T°m Sherm@n]

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts. Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet. I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:
Loading Image...

[Dan O]

Post by T°m ***@n

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts. Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet. I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/2011-Alpines...

My first bike-specific clothing (after helmet) was a well-used pair of
these:

http://www.classicboots.com/moto/details/f-bore01.htm

[T0m Sherm@n]

Post by Dan O

Post by T°m ***@n

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts. Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet. I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/2011-Alpines...

My first bike-specific clothing (after helmet) was a well-used pair of
http://www.classicboots.com/moto/details/f-bore01.htm

The looks of SiDi boots have certainly changed - these are what I use
for cool weather and rain riding:
<Loading Image...>.

Lorica uppers (just like SiDi cycling shoes).

As a fan of Holstein-Frisian cows, I am sad that this color combination
and Gore-Tex is not available:
<Loading Image...>.
Oh well, the white is probably a PITA to keep clean.

[(PeteCresswell)]

http://funlok.com/index.php/jokes/why-bicycle-shorts-should-always-be-black.html

[T0m Sherm@n]

Post by (PeteCresswell)
http://funlok.com/index.php/jokes/why-bicycle-shorts-should-always-be-black.html

Why such shorts should not be worn in public.

[thirty-six]

Post by T0m ***@n

http://funlok.com/index.php/jokes/why-bicycle-shorts-should-always-be...

Why such shorts should not be worn in public.
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.

Loading Image...

[Mike Vandeman]

Post by T°m ***@n

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts.  Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet.  I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/2011-Alpines...

You can't, if you are gay.

Post by T°m ***@n
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[T0m Sherm@n]

Post by Mike Vandeman

Post by T°m ***@n

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts. �Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet. �I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/2011-Alpines...

You can't, if you are gay.

Hey Mikey,

Is that something you learned in JAIL?

How does it feel to have a criminal record?

[JimmyMac]

Post by T0m ***@n

Post by Mike Vandeman

Post by T°m ***@n

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts. Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet. I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/2011-Alpines...

You can't, if you are gay.

Hey Mikey,
Is that something you learned in JAIL?
How does it feel to have a criminal record?

I too await a response from the criminal element!

Post by T0m ***@n
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.

[kolldata]

Post by T°m ***@n

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts.  Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet.  I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/2011-Alpines...
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.

you're sick

[Mike Vandeman]

Post by T°m ***@n

Post by Dan O
This is where folks in "normal" clothes seem to disdain me for rmy
bike-specific gear - which I wear not to be some kind of lance-alike,
but because it is so very much more functional (though in my more
egotistical youth I always did like the feeling of being in boots and
bright blue and white full leathers, still get a boost from the
admiration I sense in my structural firefighting turnouts.  Confidence
is attractive to a point, but egotism has a definite ugliness, and
being an inherent part of human nature, has been hard to shake, though
I think it's mellowing with age).

I will be getting a set of black white and yellow Alpinestars leathers,
white and black Alpinestars MRX boots with red trim, and blue and white
Alpinestars glove to go with a yellow Shoei helmet.  I mean, how can you
not love boots that look like this:http://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/OG/2011-Alpines...
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
I am a vehicular cyclist.

you're sick-

We all agree on that.

[thirty-six]

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed?  Just as bad as I am.  I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups.  Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing.  Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.
The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

Gimme a break.  My first computer programming was with a PDP8.
Moving to a PDP10 that could do modem data at 110 baud was amazing.

I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist.  I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect.  Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride.  I don't own it to impress anyone else except me.  PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain.  I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

So what about those that have CF bikes and ride in the rain anyway?  I
haven't
noticed anyone hear give you grief about your ride.  Maybe I missed
something.
But it seems like you're the one with issues.
To me, what's important is to ride my bike.  I commute until the snow
falls.  Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

You are correct.  No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips.  I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride.  ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather.  You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

Once I made a specific car journey to get a bike part. I was hard
pressed for time and needed to replace a brake cable to satisfy racing
requirements. I got home and reversed up the drive banging into the
dustbin. Thinking I didn't leave it there, I realised there must be
someone else in the house. Sure enough my brother comes out the house
wailing his head off as I nudge the bin back a bit more. I could see
it in my side mirror now so knew it was out of the way and locate the
car in its usual place. Well with my brother screaming and practicing
semaphore I managed to make out it wasn't the bin I had been pushing.
I looked under the rear axle and his friend's motorbike was there.
The replacement fairings weren't particularly costly but it did turn
out to be a relatively expensive weekend. I've always kept a spare
cable and blocks from then on.

I'm a quick and safe driver, but thinking bicycle while parking up
just doesn't agree.

[James]

Post by Harry Brogan
You are correct. No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips. I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride. ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather. You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

I am a "Spandex Warrior", and proud of it.

I prefer not to ride on the road in the pissing rain.

I have no problem going off road in the pissing rain.

I greet other people riding their bicycles with a friendly "G'day"
whenever possible, and have no problem conversing with others.

I don't go to a bike shop, I go to a bakery. Maybe I'll see you there
one day, or pass you on the road. I'll be the one who can strike up a
conversation with anyone while I drink my coffee and eat my cake, or
even just stopped at the lights.

But I know, I'm an outlier. I've the physique of a lithe young girl and
the power to weight ratio of a spider monkey on steroids. I can ride
light weight wheels lashed with European Heritage and Mystique for years
without even needing to true them, nor suffer cracks around the spoke holes.

[kolldata]

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed?  Just as bad as I am.  I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups.  Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing.  Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.
The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

Gimme a break.  My first computer programming was with a PDP8.
Moving to a PDP10 that could do modem data at 110 baud was amazing.

I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist.  I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect.  Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride.  I don't own it to impress anyone else except me.  PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain.  I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

So what about those that have CF bikes and ride in the rain anyway?  I
haven't
noticed anyone hear give you grief about your ride.  Maybe I missed
something.
But it seems like you're the one with issues.
To me, what's important is to ride my bike.  I commute until the snow
falls.  Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

You are correct.  No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips.  I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride.  ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather.  You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

late 20's with haircut, flat bladed black spokes ?

[Duane Hebert]

Post by Harry Brogan

Post by Duane Hebert

Post by Harry Brogan

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed? Just as bad as I am. I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups. Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing. Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.
The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

Gimme a break. My first computer programming was with a PDP8.
Moving to a PDP10 that could do modem data at 110 baud was amazing.

Post by Harry Brogan
I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

So what about those that have CF bikes and ride in the rain anyway? I
haven't
noticed anyone hear give you grief about your ride. Maybe I missed
something.
But it seems like you're the one with issues.
To me, what's important is to ride my bike. I commute until the snow
falls. Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

You are correct. No one HERE gives me a hard time about what I ride.
But...when I do get to a bike shop I see any number of "Spandex
Warriors" on their high dollar machines thinking they are all that and
a bag of chips. I would be better off talking to the wall instead of
trying to strike up ANY conversation with these assholes.
I don't really care WHAT you ride. ((Huffy, Schwinn, Trek, Et Al))
But, leave the attitude at home when you are out among
others....especially at a bike shop.
I use the term "Spandex Warriors" for those that ride high dollar
machines that ONLY come out of the garage on those days when there is
ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of bad weather. You know the ones....the ones
you see driving their car to the bike shop to pick up that part they
need because it MIGHT rain.....

Well, like Lou, I have more than one bike. I have none that don't work
when it's wet. I do know some LBSs that are as you describe. I don't
use them. My current one sells expensive racing bikes but they also
sell city bikes and hard tails.

[j***@gmail.com]

Post by Duane Hebert

Post by Harry Brogan

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.

ANOTHER farewell Ed? Just as bad as I am. I simply can't stay away
from tese damne newsgroups. Have been using them since well before
the internet was such a huge thing. Remember when you had to dial
((YES DIAL)) in to a local BBS system to gain access.
The fucktards on here have absolutely NO idea what it's like to wait
an hour for a ONE MEG file to download.

Gimme a break. My first computer programming was with a PDP8.
Moving to a PDP10 that could do modem data at 110 baud was amazing.

Post by Harry Brogan
I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

So what about those that have CF bikes and ride in the rain anyway? I
haven't
noticed anyone hear give you grief about your ride. Maybe I missed
something.
But it seems like you're the one with issues.
To me, what's important is to ride my bike. I commute until the snow
falls. Sometime on the CF
and sometime on the CroMoly Bianchi tour.

PDP 8 huh?, I started on DTSS (Dartmouth Time Sharing System) using a KSR33 @ 110 Baud. We saved our programs on paper tape. A few years after that I moved on to RSTS on an PDP 11/45. Five giant megs of (removable) disk storage. I think the tires on my car are smaller than that 5 meg cartridge was. Those were the days.

[Edward Dolan]

"Harry Brogan" <***@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
[...]

Post by Harry Brogan
I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.

The attitudes of racers are the worst, but not all performance oriented
cyclists are assholes. It is their attitude which determines that, not the
kind of bike they are riding or their clothing.

Post by Harry Brogan
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

Yes, you and I are utility cyclists. We use our bikes as other use their
cars. The main problem with using bikes in place of cars is that you have to
figure out how to carry a load (especially groceries which can be not only
heavy but space hogs). Once you have got that figured out, you hardly need a
car if you are within striking distance of where you need to go.

My car sits out in the back yard collecting cobwebs. I only drive it if I
have to go out of town, which is hardly ever.

[Tosspot]

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by Harry Brogan
I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.

The attitudes of racers are the worst, but not all performance oriented
cyclists are assholes. It is their attitude which determines that, not the
kind of bike they are riding or their clothing.

Yeah, but like fundies, if it's wearing a tea towel you can be fairly
assured an open debate on Allah was a cunt isn't in the offing.

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by Harry Brogan
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

Yes, you and I are utility cyclists. We use our bikes as other use their
cars. The main problem with using bikes in place of cars is that you have to
figure out how to carry a load (especially groceries which can be not only
heavy but space hogs). Once you have got that figured out, you hardly need a
car if you are within striking distance of where you need to go.

Trailer. Can be had for 30 bucks and carries 30 odd kgs (60 odd of your
medieval pounds), plus pannier if you like. Works for me, but once or
twice a year I do hire a car.

Post by Edward Dolan
My car sits out in the back yard collecting cobwebs. I only drive it if I
have to go out of town, which is hardly ever.

Ok, towns in Leftpondia can be a bit more spaced, and public transport
non existent, but that's life in Liberty Town.

[Edward Dolan]

Post by Tosspot

Post by Edward Dolan
[...]

Post by Harry Brogan
I have been and probably always will be a VERY avid cyclist. I am NOT
a "spandex warrior" and I do NOT ride on ONLY those nice days when the
weather is perfect. Those assholes have too bad of an attitude to
actually enjoy the ride as they always seem to have the need to see
how FAST they can go from one place to another.

The attitudes of racers are the worst, but not all performance oriented
cyclists are assholes. It is their attitude which determines that, not the
kind of bike they are riding or their clothing.

Yeah, but like fundies, if it's wearing a tea towel you can be fairly
assured an open debate on Allah was a cunt isn't in the offing.

Only Great Saints like Myself are permitted to make sexual allusions.

Post by Tosspot

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by Harry Brogan
I don't count grams and could care less what the jerks think of my
ride. I don't own it to impress anyone else except me. PERIOD.
To those that look down their collective noses because I am on a
monster bike, wearing jeans and a t-shirt, I can say go FUCK yourself.
I have been here on the internet and riding cycles for, probably, a
lot longer than you have.
So, you can keep your $$ 3000 carbon fiber bike that only sees the
light of day when there is absolutely NO possibilty of rain. I'll
keep plugging along on mine and will, in all likelihood, end up living
longer than you.

Yes, you and I are utility cyclists. We use our bikes as other use their
cars. The main problem with using bikes in place of cars is that you have to
figure out how to carry a load (especially groceries which can be not only
heavy but space hogs). Once you have got that figured out, you hardly need a
car if you are within striking distance of where you need to go.

Trailer. Can be had for 30 bucks and carries 30 odd kgs (60 odd of your
medieval pounds), plus pannier if you like. Works for me, but once or
twice a year I do hire a car.

I tried a trailer once and it was more trouble than it was worth. I prefer
an upright 3-speed utility trike with the large basket between the two rear
wheels. That can carry as much as I can carry.

Post by Tosspot

Post by Edward Dolan
My car sits out in the back yard collecting cobwebs. I only drive it if I
have to go out of town, which is hardly ever.

Ok, towns in Leftpondia can be a bit more spaced, and public transport
non existent, but that's life in Liberty Town.

Yes, anything more that 15 minutes to get to your destination for doing a
chore is too much.

[Mike Vandeman]

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Agreed. I long ago gave up the hope of hearing anything useful or true
in these garbage pits. I only use them for one way conversation:
storing valuable information for future generations to read and learn
from. Your posts are the only bright spot. They go way over the heads
of the usual denizens.

[Edward Dolan]

"Mike Vandeman" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9563d487-67b9-465d-843f-***@p14g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
[...]

Post by Mike Vandeman
Agreed. I long ago gave up the hope of hearing anything useful or true

in these garbage pits. I only use them for one way conversation:
storing valuable information for future generations to read and learn
from. Your posts are the only bright spot. They go way over the heads
of the usual denizens.

Understood, as long as you do not waste too much of your valuable time on
these newsgroups.

The best way to get a handle on mountain bikers is via the land managers.
Most of them have college degrees after all and should be amenable to reason
and persuasion. Trying to educate mountain bikers is a lost cause.

Best,

[JimmyMac]

Post by Mike Vandeman

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Agreed. I long ago gave up the hope of hearing anything useful or true
storing valuable information for future generations to read and learn
from. Your posts are the only bright spot. They go way over the heads
of the usual denizens.

ONE WAY conversation is an oxymoron. By very definition, dialogue is
implicit to conversation. ONE WAY, the trademark way of both you and
Dolan, is monologue!

[Mike Vandeman]

Post by Mike Vandeman

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Agreed. I long ago gave up the hope of hearing anything useful or true
storing valuable information for future generations to read and learn
from. Your posts are the only bright spot. They go way over the heads
of the usual denizens.

ONE WAY conversation is an oxymoron.  By very definition, dialogue is
implicit to conversation.  ONE WAY, the trademark way of both you and
Dolan, is monologue!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

So what's your point? We provide gems, you guys respond with ad
hominem BS. What good is that? You never stick to the subject!
(Because you CAN'T!)

[JimmyMac]

Post by Mike Vandeman

Post by Mike Vandeman

Post by Edward Dolan
There ought to be a rule that no one can be on Usenet until he has reached
the age of 40. Anyone under that age is still a juvenile in our society and
not worth a shit. If such are not blithering idiots, they are snot nosed
brats who think it is clever to be stupid. Fuck'em all I say.
These cycling newsgroups were once barely acceptable because of at least a
few intelligent posters. Those days are long gone. Anyone with the least
intelligence has left for greener pastures. All that is left are the
aforementioned youthful types - dumbasses and fucktards. Fuck'em all I say.
Cyclists by and large are stupid people. Racing cyclists are the dumbest.
All they have going for them is too much testosterone. Utility cyclists are
the least dumb. Touring cyclists are somewhere in-between. But cyclists who
post to Usenet are in a class of their own - the dumbest of the dumb.
Literacy is wasted on them. Fuck'em all I say.
My only purpose in ever being here was to get a few laughs. It was easier to
get a few laughs in the old days when there were some glimmers of
intelligence, but it is all so dumbed down now that only the extremely
stupid can get any laughs. Happy days are gone forever. Fuck'em all I say.
And so Ed Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great, leaves these
fucked-up newsgroups with the sincere wish that each and everyone of you
will go to Hell where all good dumbasses and fucktards belong or, failing
that, you can stay on these groups forever fucking one another. That is the
one and only thing you are good at.
Fuck'em all I say.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Agreed. I long ago gave up the hope of hearing anything useful or true
storing valuable information for future generations to read and learn
from. Your posts are the only bright spot. They go way over the heads
of the usual denizens.

ONE WAY conversation is an oxymoron.  By very definition, dialogue is
implicit to conversation.  ONE WAY, the trademark way of both you and
Dolan, is monologue!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

So what's your point?

You mean to tell em that my point exceeded your poor powers of
perception?

Post by Mike Vandeman
We provide gems, you guys respond with ad
hominem BS. What good is that? You never stick to the subject!
(Because you CAN'T!)

I think you have mistaken me for you good bud Eddy who is notorious
for straying off topic. I have often replied to his diversionary
modus operandi with ... Diversion duly noted speaking of sticking to
the subject, you failed to address (defend) your concept of "one way
conversation". As concerns [argumentum] ad hominem, there is no
compelling need to malign the character or motive of you or Ed,
because you two are lacking in character and you motives are
transparent.

[Edward Dolan]

"JimmyMac" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6e1a5c3e-6684-42b3-8279-***@er6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
[...]

Post by JimmyMac
I think you have mistaken me for you good bud Eddy who is notorious

for straying off topic. I have often replied to his diversionary
modus operandi with ... Diversion duly noted speaking of sticking to
the subject, you failed to address (defend) your concept of "one way
conversation". As concerns [argumentum] ad hominem, there is no
compelling need to malign the character or motive of you or Ed,
because you two are lacking in character and your motives are
transparent.

There is no one on Usenet who has a more transparent motive and character
than you. It is that most pitiful one of all ... that of an envious stalker.
Mr. Vandeman and I are far removed from such a lowly 'modus operandi'.

As for everything else ('ad hominem'), your only valid complaint is that I
am a better ass kicker than you. You did not even know how to handle Ed Gin,
a notorious criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR. That being the case,
how did you ever think you could handle a genius like Myself?

Your main problem on these newsgroups is that you have never recognized your
true position here in the grand scheme of things. Ed Dolan the Great is at
the top and is a genius and you are at the bottom and are a nincompoop. What
could possibly be more transparent than that?

By the way, one way conversations are totally justified when one is dealing
with a broken record like yourself - or in the case of Mr. Vandeman, dealing
with mountain bikers who are all jackasses without any exceptions.

[JimmyMac]

[...]>I think you have mistaken me for you good bud Eddy who is notorious
for straying off topic.  I have often replied to his diversionary
modus operandi with ... Diversion duly noted speaking of sticking to
the subject, you failed to address (defend) your concept of  "one way
conversation".  As concerns [argumentum] ad hominem, there is no
compelling need to malign the character or motive of you or Ed,
because you two are lacking in character and your motives are
transparent.
There is no one on Usenet who has a more transparent motive and character
than you. It is that most pitiful one of all ... that of an envious stalker.
Mr. Vandeman and I are far removed from such a lowly 'modus operandi'.

How did I know that you would come to the defense of your mutual
admiration society consort Mike Vandeman? How predictable.

As for everything else ('ad hominem'), your only valid complaint is that I
am a better ass kicker than you.

I would first have to acknowledge that you are a better ass kicker
before lodging such a complaint, which I never have, by the way.
Prove me wrong. Cite a reference. Oh, that's right... you don't do
that. You never substantiate any of your fallacious nonsense (read
bullshit).

You did not even know how to handle Ed Gin,
a notorious criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR. That being the case,
how did you ever think you could handle a genius like Myself?

Thank for the good laugh cretin and by the way could you say it one
mor time broken record. I don't thing the readership got your inane
opinion about the ed Gin exchange the first 1000 times.

Your main problem on these newsgroups is that you have never recognized your
true position here in the grand scheme of things. Ed Dolan the Great is at
the top and is a genius and you are at the bottom and are a nincompoop. What
could possibly be more transparent than that?

If you must know ... YOUR INTERNET PERSONA.

By the way, one way conversations are totally justified when one is dealing
with a broken record like yourself - or in the case of Mr. Vandeman, dealing
with mountain bikers who are all jackasses without any exceptions.

Conan the librarian does not know the definition of the word
conversation if he qualifies it with "one way". ONE WAY conversation
is an oxymoron as spoken by a morn and now supported by another
moron. By very definition, dialogue is
implicit to conversation. ONE WAY, ins monologue ... the trademark of
both you and your adoring consort Mike Vandeman! You two are made for
each other. Surely you can find a same sex marriage state an make it
legal like.

Haven't you left yet or do you intend to break you promise for an 18th
time??? A man is only as good as his word. What does that say of
you?

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"JimmyMac" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:81f6eefa-b5ec-43f1-9d8e-***@r28g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
[...]

Post by JimmyMac
Haven't you left yet or do you intend to break you promise for an 18th

time??? A man is only as good as his word. What does that say of
you?

Once a few loose ends have been taken care of and I am no longer mentioned
on these newsgroups, I will be gone. Now that Tom Sherman is no longer here,
there is no reason for me to stick around for idiots like you.

Post by JimmyMac
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[JimmyMac]

[...]> Haven't you left yet or do you intend to break you promise for an 18th
time???  A man is only as good as his word.  What does that say of
you?
Once a few loose ends have been taken care of and I am no longer mentioned
on these newsgroups, I will be gone. Now that Tom Sherman is no longer here,
there is no reason for me to stick around for idiots like you.

So there is a Santa after all and Christmas wishes do come true.
Listen up everyone, stop mentioning you know who immediately . The
sooner he's gone ... the better. Oh and Tom, allow me to thank you an
advance for lying low so as not to give this asshole reason to stick
around. Goo riddance I say.

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

Post by JimmyMac
[...]
Haven't you left yet or do you intend to break you promise for an 18th
time??? A man is only as good as his word. What does that say of
you?

Post by Edward Dolan
Once a few loose ends have been taken care of and I am no longer mentioned

on these newsgroups, I will be gone. Now that Tom Sherman is no longer here,
there is no reason for me to stick around for idiots like you.

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac
So there is a Santa after all and Christmas wishes do come true.

Listen up everyone, stop mentioning you know who immediately . The
sooner he's gone ... the better. Oh and Tom, allow me to thank you an
advance for lying low so as not to give this asshole reason to stick
around. Goo riddance I say.

You realize of course that you will have to stop your pathetic stalking of
The Great One. Unless and until you do, I will be here forever.

I cannot see Tom Sherman just leaving without a word to anyone. I think
something quite bad must have happened to him.

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[JimmyMac]

Post by JimmyMac
[...]
Haven't you left yet or do you intend to break you promise for an 18th
time??? A man is only as good as his word. What does that say of
you?

Post by Edward Dolan
Once a few loose ends have been taken care of and I am no longer mentioned

on these newsgroups, I will be gone. Now that Tom Sherman is no longer here,
there is no reason for me to stick around for idiots like you.

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac
So there is a Santa after all and Christmas wishes do come true.

Listen up everyone, stop mentioning you know who immediately .  The
sooner he's gone ... the better.  Oh and Tom, allow me to thank you an
advance for lying low so as not to give this asshole reason to stick
around.  Goo riddance I say.
You realize of course that you will have to stop your pathetic stalking of
The Great One. Unless and until you do, I will be here forever.

So then, you have added another stipulation to you departure? You
should have been an attorney instead of a librarian, that is before
you became a reclusive PSD (professional societal dropout).

I cannot see Tom Sherman just leaving without a word to anyone. I think
something quite bad must have happened to him.

I'm thinking that Tom has just had enough of your abusive stalking and
is lying low in the hopes that for once in your life stand by your
word ,you follow through, and leave Usenet newsgroups forever.

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"JimmyMac" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a19d55be-c070-469c-9345-***@cu3g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 9, 11:15 am, "Edward Dolan" <***@iw.net> wrote:
[...]

Post by Edward Dolan
You realize of course that you will have to stop your pathetic stalking of
The Great One. Unless and until you do, I will be here forever.

Post by JimmyMac
So then, you have added another stipulation to you departure? You

should have been an attorney instead of a librarian, that is before
you became a reclusive PSD (professional societal dropout).

Alas, no one understands us hermits!

Post by Edward Dolan
I cannot see Tom Sherman just leaving without a word to anyone. I think
something quite bad must have happened to him.

Post by JimmyMac
I'm thinking that Tom has just had enough of your abusive stalking and

is lying low in the hopes that for once in your life stand by your
word ,you follow through, and leave Usenet newsgroups forever.

I think what happened is that Tom Sherman simply got fed up with the lack of
on-topic discussions. Further, he got into it with some others on these
groups (not RBS) about his anti-Zionist views and probably left in disgust.

I am sure what I said never bothered him in the least. He was grown up about
our disagreements and never took offense at what was said on RBS. That is
why we got along so famously.

Unlike you, Tom Sherman knew enough not to take Usenet seriously. Usenet is
basically a playground for juveniles. I knew that from the beginning and
always behaved accordingly. You were always adrift without a clue as to the
true nature of things on Usenet. It is why you handled Ed Gin (a notorious
criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR) so ineptly and were too dense to
take my excellent advice.

Anyone who takes Usenet seriously is a fool!

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[JimmyMac]

Post by JimmyMac
[...]

Post by Edward Dolan
You realize of course that you will have to stop your pathetic stalking of
The Great One. Unless and until you do, I will be here forever.

Post by JimmyMac
So then, you have added another stipulation to you departure? You

should have been an attorney instead of a librarian, that is before
you became a reclusive PSD (professional societal dropout).
Alas, no one understands us hermits!

Post by Edward Dolan
I cannot see Tom Sherman just leaving without a word to anyone. I think
something quite bad must have happened to him.

Post by JimmyMac
I'm thinking that Tom has just had enough of your abusive stalking and

is lying low in the hopes that for once in your life stand by your
word, follow through, and leave Usenet newsgroups forever.
I think what happened is that Tom Sherman simply got fed up with the lack of
on-topic discussions. Further, he got into it with some others on these
groups (not RBS) about his anti-Zionist views and probably left in disgust.
I am sure what I said never bothered him in the least. He was grown up about
our disagreements and never took offense at what was said on RBS. That is
why we got along so famously.

You two got along???

Post by JimmyMac
Unlike you, Tom Sherman knew enough not to take Usenet seriously. Usenet is
basically a playground for juveniles.

Then you should be right at home.

Post by JimmyMac
I knew that from the beginning and
always behaved accordingly. You were always adrift without a clue as to the
true nature of things on Usenet. It is why you handled Ed Gin (a notorious
criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR) so ineptly and were too dense to
take my excellent advice.

AN you accuse me of being a broken record??? PLEASE!!!

Post by JimmyMac
Anyone who takes Usenet seriously is a fool!

You're still here??? You departure is advancing with glacial
velocity.

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[JimmyMac]

Post by JimmyMac

Post by JimmyMac
[...]

Post by Edward Dolan
You realize of course that you will have to stop your pathetic stalking of
The Great One. Unless and until you do, I will be here forever.

Post by JimmyMac
So then, you have added another stipulation to you departure? You

should have been an attorney instead of a librarian, that is before
you became a reclusive PSD (professional societal dropout).
Alas, no one understands us hermits!

Post by Edward Dolan
I cannot see Tom Sherman just leaving without a word to anyone. I think
something quite bad must have happened to him.

Post by JimmyMac
I'm thinking that Tom has just had enough of your abusive stalking and

is lying low in the hopes that for once in your life stand by your
word, follow through, and leave Usenet newsgroups forever.
I think what happened is that Tom Sherman simply got fed up with the lack of
on-topic discussions. Further, he got into it with some others on these
groups (not RBS) about his anti-Zionist views and probably left in disgust.
I am sure what I said never bothered him in the least. He was grown up about
our disagreements and never took offense at what was said on RBS. That is
why we got along so famously.

You two got along???

Post by JimmyMac
Unlike you, Tom Sherman knew enough not to take Usenet seriously. Usenet is
basically a playground for juveniles.

Then you should be right at home.

Post by JimmyMac
I knew that from the beginning and
always behaved accordingly. You were always adrift without a clue as to the
true nature of things on Usenet. It is why you handled Ed Gin (a notorious
criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR) so ineptly and were too dense to
take my excellent advice.

And you accuse me of being a broken record???  PLEASE!!!

Post by JimmyMac
Anyone who takes Usenet seriously is a fool!

You're still here???  You departure is advancing with glacial
velocity.

Since Ed Dolan has gone on record to indicate that there is no reason
for him to be truthful, it is logical to assume that anything and
everything that Ed Dolan says should be taken for what it is ... a lie
and that includes his 14th announcement of his intention to depart
Usenet newsgroups.

Post by JimmyMac

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"JimmyMac" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:fd6a9599-6eb6-4776-ae67-***@4g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
[...]

Post by JimmyMac
Since Ed Dolan has gone on record to indicate that there is no reason

for him to be truthful, it is logical to assume that anything and
everything that Ed Dolan says should be taken for what it is ... a lie
and that includes his 14th announcement of his intention to depart
Usenet newsgroups.

The only person in the world I am a mystery to is you which speaks volumes
about the level of your intellect. But that is the fate of all stalkers ...
to end up talking only to yourself. Tibetan Monkey also only talks to
himself, but at least he is not a stalker.

[JimmyMac]

Since Ed Dolan has gone on record to indicate that there is no reason
for him to be truthful, it is logical to assume that anything and
everything that Ed Dolan says should be taken for what it is ... a lie
and that includes his 14th announcement of his intention to depart
Usenet newsgroups.

[...]> Since Ed Dolan has gone on record to indicate that there is no reason
for him to be truthful, it is logical to assume that anything and
everything that Ed Dolan says should be taken for what it is ... a lie
and that includes his 14th announcement of his intention to depart
Usenet newsgroups.
The only person in the world I am a mystery to is you which speaks volumes
about the level of your intellect. But that is the fate of all stalkers ...
to end up talking only to yourself. Tibetan Monkey also only talks to
himself, but at least he is not a stalker.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"JimmyMac" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6d5653e0-0a97-4a5f-98ae-***@n14g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Post by JimmyMac
Since Ed Dolan has gone on record to indicate that there is no reason

for him to be truthful, it is logical to assume that anything and
everything that Ed Dolan says should be taken for what it is ... a lie
and that includes his 14th announcement of his intention to depart
Usenet newsgroups.

Poor Jimmy, ever disappointed that I don't take him seriously.

[JimmyMac]

Post by Edward Dolan
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Post by JimmyMac
Since Ed Dolan has gone on record to indicate that there is no reason

for him to be truthful, it is logical to assume that anything and
everything that Ed Dolan says should be taken for what it is ... a lie
and that includes his 14th announcement of his intention to depart
Usenet newsgroups.
Poor Jimmy, ever disappointed that I don't take him seriously.

You're still here? Did you say something ... I mean something of any
consequence?

Post by Edward Dolan
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

Post by Edward Dolan
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

Post by JimmyMac
Since Ed Dolan has gone on record to indicate that there is no reason

for him to be truthful, it is logical to assume that anything and
everything that Ed Dolan says should be taken for what it is ... a lie
and that includes his 14th announcement of his intention to depart
Usenet newsgroups.
Poor Jimmy, ever disappointed that I don't take him seriously.

Post by JimmyMac
You're still here? Did you say something ... I mean something of any

consequence?

I never say anything where you are concerned. But hang in there anyway. I
need to keep my ass kicking ability up to a certain standard.

Post by Edward Dolan
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[James]

I never say anything ...

Spot on.

[Edward Dolan]

Post by James

I never say anything ...

Spot on.

I leave it to my inferiors to try to say something ... and then I kick their
dumb asses. I leave it to others to decide who is more entertaining.

[JimmyMac]

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by James

I never say anything ...

Spot on.

I leave it to my inferiors to try to say something ... and then I kick their
dumb asses. I leave it to others to decide who is more entertaining.

Care to risk the outcome of a poll and be confronted with reality?

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by James

I never say anything ...

Spot on.

I leave it to my inferiors to try to say something ... and then I kick their
dumb asses. I leave it to others to decide who is more entertaining.

Post by James

Post by JimmyMac
Care to risk the outcome of a poll and be confronted with reality?

The only poll I would pay any attention to is the one I run in my own head.
Other types of polls are for blockheads like you who never know which end is
up.

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[JimmyMac]

Post by JimmyMac
[...]

Post by Edward Dolan
You realize of course that you will have to stop your pathetic stalking of
The Great One. Unless and until you do, I will be here forever.

Post by JimmyMac
So then, you have added another stipulation to you departure? You

should have been an attorney instead of a librarian, that is before
you became a reclusive PSD (professional societal dropout).
Alas, no one understands us hermits!

Post by Edward Dolan
I cannot see Tom Sherman just leaving without a word to anyone. I think
something quite bad must have happened to him.

Post by JimmyMac
I'm thinking that Tom has just had enough of your abusive stalking and

is lying low in the hopes that for once in your life stand by your
word ,you follow through, and leave Usenet newsgroups forever.
I think what happened is that Tom Sherman simply got fed up with the lack of
on-topic discussions. Further, he got into it with some others on these
groups (not RBS) about his anti-Zionist views and probably left in disgust.
I am sure what I said never bothered him in the least. He was grown up about
our disagreements and never took offense at what was said on RBS. That is
why we got along so famously.
Unlike you, Tom Sherman knew enough not to take Usenet seriously. Usenet is
basically a playground for juveniles. I knew that from the beginning and
always behaved accordingly. You were always adrift without a clue as to the
true nature of things on Usenet. It is why you handled Ed Gin (a notorious
criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR) so ineptly and were too dense to
take my excellent advice.

Listen up BROKEN RECORD. Excellent advice??? I didn't know that you
did stand up. Opinion stated as fact. Here's some advice for you.
Stop offering advice unless it is asked first asked for. You don't
know the cardinal rules of basic interaction in life. You are a
blockhead who thinks he knows all that there is to know, but has yet
to master even the rudimentary aspects of interpersonal
relationships. First and foremost ... he who expects to be heard must
first learn to listen. I'm the one who is dense (coping mechanism ...
projection) you assert. Look, I made it abundantly clear from the
onset and have since reiterated my feelings countless times in
response to your incessant harping in this regard. I neither
requested, wanted, or needed your advice. No matter how many times I
have repeated that, you (the one who is the densest of the dense)
refused to listen. Another thing ... Ed, Gin (whom you continue to be
hung up on for reasons known only to yourself) did not destroy ARBR,
no matter how many time you regurgitate that gibberish. If anyone can
lay claim to that honor, that would be you and the Tibetan Monkey.

Post by JimmyMac
Anyone who takes Usenet seriously is a fool!

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

[Edward Dolan]

"JimmyMac" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6f405987-2e8c-4a3c-9c88-***@cc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 11, 2:31 pm, "Edward Dolan" <***@iw.net> wrote:
[...]

Post by Edward Dolan
Unlike you, Tom Sherman knew enough not to take Usenet seriously. Usenet is
basically a playground for juveniles. I knew that from the beginning and
always behaved accordingly. You were always adrift without a clue as to the
true nature of things on Usenet. It is why you handled Ed Gin (a notorious
criminal vandal troll who destroyed ARBR) so ineptly and were too dense to
take my excellent advice.

Post by JimmyMac
Listen up BROKEN RECORD. Excellent advice??? I didn't know that you

did stand up. Opinion stated as fact. Here's some advice for you.
Stop offering advice unless it is asked first asked for. You don't
know the cardinal rules of basic interaction in life. You are a
blockhead who thinks he knows all that there is to know, but has yet
to master even the rudimentary aspects of interpersonal
relationships.

Don't be so hard on yourself. After all the world needs idiots like you as
well as geniuses like me.

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac
First and foremost ... he who expects to be heard must

first learn to listen. I'm the one who is dense (coping mechanism ...
projection) you assert. Look, I made it abundantly clear from the
onset and have since reiterated my feelings countless times in
response to your incessant harping in this regard. I neither
requested, wanted, or needed your advice. No matter how many times I
have repeated that, you (the one who is the densest of the dense)
refused to listen.

Why should I let an idiot like you make a total asshole of yourself on
Usenet for all the world to see, most especially after I said a few good
things about you in the beginning. Hey, that makes me look bad.

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac
Another thing ... Ed, Gin (whom you continue to be

hung up on for reasons known only to yourself) did not destroy ARBR,
no matter how many time you regurgitate that gibberish. If anyone can
lay claim to that honor, that would be you and the Tibetan Monkey.

No one pays any attention to TM and I am the only one who ever paid any
attention to you. Ed Gin and his cohorts did indeed destroy ARBR. But how
the hell would you know one way or another. The only thing you ever did on
ARBR was whine and stalk ... and then were too stupid to take my very
excellent advice on how to behave.

Tom Sherman also behaved abominably in the whole episode. Only Ed Dolan the
Great, aka Saint Edward the Great of the Order of the Perpetual Sorrows,
rose above the general confusion and called everyone out for what they were
... assholes, cowards and criminal vandal trolls.

Post by Edward Dolan

Post by JimmyMac

Post by Edward Dolan
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota